Acclaimed musician Grimes has opened up about various aspects of her life, including her artistic pursuits, her thoughts on AI-generated music, space travel and her relationship with Elon Musk – sparking further debate on Musk’s controversial stance towards “woke culture” and the Transgender community.

Speaking with Wired, Grimes, who shares two young children with the tech billionaire, defended Musk against allegations of being anti-trans while acknowledging disagreement with Musk on this and many issues which she had publically stated in the past.

Musk does not “hate” trans people, Grimes says, “Take the trans thing,” Grimes added, referring to an incident in 2020 when Musk tweeted “pronouns suck”.


“After that, we had a big, long conversation. I was like: ‘I want to dissect why you’re so stressed about this’.”

“What it came down to was, that every way that you transition, can cause fertility issues.” 

Grimes continued, “I was like: ‘OK, you don’t hate trans people, you hate woke culture. I get that it can be annoying, and you have concerns about the fertility thing.”

“Let’s figure it out because there’s a lot of fertility tech that could be innovated that would help trans people have kids, which would be great and would solve a lot of problems’.”

Despite her understanding of Musk’s position, Grimes admitted that she’s “probably not” a woke person and considers the concept to be “silly and out of date.”

Grimes also reminisced about her “fluid” relationship with Musk, describing it as “the best internship ever.” She praised his demanding approach to leadership, recognizing an “old-world kind of discipline” that she respects but acknowledges rubs some people the wrong way.

The musician touched on the integration of X with its new owner, calling it “very intense,” and provided insights into her current projects, including a series of baby books. One of these, titled “Transhumanism for Babies,” focuses on “civilization building” for children.

She also claimed credit for some of Musk’s online humour, including a quip about a competition with Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, emphasizing the need for “some outlet for trad masculinity.”

Since Musk acquired X in October, there have been reports of increased anti-LGBTQ+ hate on the site and removing protections against misgendering and deadnaming for trans people. This escalation has led to businesses like Ben & Jerry’s ending their advertising on the platform, denouncing it as a “threatening and even dangerous space” for marginalized individuals.